Wednesday, October 7, 2026
Death Mask Comparison of the Larsen Daguerreotype with Joseph and Hyrum Smith
Wednesday, June 28, 2023
Decoding the Alleged Connection: Exploring the RLDS Painting of Joseph Smith Jr. and its Relationship with the Marshall Photo
In this blog post, we will explore the connection between
the famous RLDS (CCofC) Painting of Joseph Smith Jr and its alleged association
with the Marshall photo. We will delve into the origins of this theory, its
development over time, and the visual disparities between the Marshall photo
and the RLDS painting. By examining these aspects, our aim is to shed light on
the validity of the claim that the Marshall photo is a photographic copy of the
painting, ultimately debunking numerous unproven theories.
1. The Emergence of the RLDS Painting Theory:
The idea that the Marshall photo is a photographic copy of a
renowned RLDS painting actually gained momentum prior to its discovery and release in 2009. This theory first emerged in the mid-1990s when a
copy of The Library of Congress photo of Joseph Smith Jr. surfaced, coinciding
with the publication of the book "Photograph Found." by researchers Reed Simonsen and Chad Fugate. The images
appeared similar, leading some to speculate about the photo and whether it was a copy of the painting.
However, conflicting opinions arose regarding which came first, yet the "copy of the painting" theory
gained popularity. (
2. Visual Differences: Face and Key Features:
While the face and certain key features in the Marshall
photo and the RLDS painting share similarities, there are distinct differences
upon closer examination. The Marshall photo shows a crooked nose, lighter eyes
that reflect light following the principles of light theory for
semi-transparent eyes, and apparent scars or dark marks on the eyelid. In
contrast, the RLDS painting depicts a straight nose and dark, flatly painted
eyes.
3. Clothing and Background Discrepancies:
When scrutinizing the attire depicted in both the Marshall
photo and the RLDS painting, notable differences become apparent. The painting
presents a simplified cravat, while the Marshall photo displays a lacy cravat
adorned with an embroidered "S" in the center. The jacket in the
photo features buttons and an embroidered mourning bow appliqué, whereas the
painting lacks the woven fabric texture seen in the Marshall photo and The
Library of Congress version. Additionally, the painting showcases a scenic
background, while the photo features a simpler, textured backdrop.
4. Misalignment in
Cuffs:
Another visual difference emerges in the alignment of
Joseph's cuff between the RLDS painting and the Marshall photograph. The cuff
in the photograph appears naturally positioned in proportion to the body size,
whereas the painting depicts a lowered and unnatural placement of the cuff.
5. Vertical Striations Similarities:
First of all, I believe that both the vertical lines in this "specific" copy of the RLDS painting and in the copy of the daguerreotype photo (Marshall Photo) occurred at the same photo shoot in 1879 and are a result of the reflection from the ambient light in
the photographer's studio. When being photographed, the mirrored surface of a
daguerreotype easily reflects light details. Although I have yet to fully
decipher what that reflection is precisely, there are strange nonorganic
reflections embedded in both the painting and the daguerreotype. I believe that
the image on the left is a copy of a daguerreotype taken from the RLDS
painting of Joseph, which means it has a mirrored surface. Initially, I
mistakenly identified all the vertical lines as brush strokes from gloss, as is
commonly assumed. However, upon further analysis, it seems that these vertical
lines are actually embedded within the painting and or daguerreotype and are not present in other contemporary photographs.
The only rational explanation is that these lines are the result of light reflecting from an external source, as the mirrored surface of the original daguerreotype was photographed. Essentially, there is a mirrored reflection trapped in both images. However, the reflection appears in different spots on the images. The only logical theory is that Joseph Smith III fulfilled his intention of sending multiple images, as mentioned in his letter to the Robinsons. It is likely that at least one of these images was a daguerreotype of the painting, while the other image would be the actual daguerreotype of his father.
6. Photographic Qualities:
Let's delve into the photographic qualities of the Marshall
photo compared to the RLDS Painting. The painting, being a flat 2D object,
retains its crisp lines, the painting is in focus in its entirety, while the Marshall photo exhibits variations in focus
evident through the blurring of the cuff, hair, and shoulders of Joseph. This
difference can be attributed to the inherent characteristics of daguerreotype
photography. Daguerreotype photos were known for their shallow depth of field,
a result of the limitations of the lenses used. It was crucial to prioritize
focus on key features such as the eyes, even if it meant sacrificing other
details.
Another notable photographic detail in the Marshall photo is
what is commonly referred to as "blown whites." This feature manifests
as a halo around lighter objects, caused by overexposure during the long
exposure time required for daguerreotypes. It also leads to a reduction in
information in the light or white areas of the image. It's important to note
that the version of the photo you see on my blog has had the contrast adjusted
to compensate for this.
7. Exploring
Theories:
Now, let's revisit the question of whether the Marshall
photo is a copy of the RLDS painting and examine how these differences between
them arose. There have been various theories put forward, and it's important to
consider their plausibility. One theory suggests the use of Indian ink on a
negative, but this would require much more than a few strokes to create the
notable differences seen in the Marshall photo. Additionally, Indian ink
appears as white in a photo because the negative is in reverse, making this
theory less likely.
Another theory proposes that a photo of the painting was
taken, printed, edited, and then re-photographed. However, each time something
is re-photographed, information is lost, as can be observed in the Library of
Congress photo. In contrast, the Marshall photo contains a remarkable amount of
detail considering its small size. Furthermore, some of the hidden details in
the overexposed whites of the Marshall photo have been brought to light with
the help of modern technology. It seems unlikely that an artist in 1879 would
intentionally give Joseph a crooked nose and try to imitate the imperfections of
daguerreotype photography. Artists typically aimed to portray their subjects in
a more idealized manner, and I haven't come across any other paintings or
drawings of Joseph showing his crooked nose.
Moreover, the fact that the crooked nose in the Marshall
photo matches Joseph Smith Jr.'s death mask raises questions. All these
theories suggesting that the Marshall photo originated from the RLDS painting
can be easily debunked with common sense. So, what is an alternative theory
that offers a simple and logical explanation? It is, I would suggest, the most probable that the RLDS
painting was created with the assistance of a daguerreotype photo, perhaps
using a Camera Lucida. This explanation accounts for the differences between
the two and allows for artistic liberties taken during the process.
Conclusion:
In conclusion, a thorough examination of the unproven
factors surrounding the Marshall photo and its supposed connection to the RLDS
painting strongly suggests that they are not direct copies of each other. The
significant visual differences observed in facial features, clothing, background,
cuff alignment, and striations discredit the theory of a simple replication.
Moreover, the distinct photographic qualities exhibited by the Marshall photo,
such as variations in focus and "blown whites," align with the known
characteristics of daguerreotype photography.
In contrast, the theory proposing that the RLDS painting was
created with the assistance of a daguerreotype photo, potentially utilizing
tools like a Camera Lucida, offers a more plausible and logical explanation.
This theory accounts for both the similarities and the artistic liberties taken
in the creation of the painting, providing a coherent narrative that aligns
with the evidence at hand.
Wednesday, June 21, 2023
Unveiling the Enigma: Analyzing the new "Larsen Daguerreotype" and Exploring the Authenticity of Joseph Smith Jr.'s Photograph
The discovery of a recently found daguerreotype purported to depict Joseph Smith Jr has ignited intrigue and hopeful anticipation among many individuals. As enthusiasts ardently endeavor to align the daguerreotype with the established image of Joseph, it becomes imperative to delve into crucial factors that shed light on this captivating subject.
Shortly after Emma's death, Joseph Smith III penned a letter to John A. Robinson, husband of Mrs. Robinson, a reputable photographer, dated June 27, 1879.
Thanks to the remarkable advancements in AI technology, we now have the ability to replicate images with remarkable accuracy. Using an AI face tool, I embarked on a fascinating comparison. I started with a semi-generic image as the host and uploaded three images for analysis: a copy of the original daguerreotype of Joseph, Joseph's death mask, and the "Larsen Daguerreotype." I arranged them in a side-by-side comparison.
It is important to note that while the death mask can be a useful tool for facial measurements, it was created posthumously, while Joseph lay on a table or the ground. When a person passes away, blood no longer circulates, and the muscles responsible for facial structure relax. As many of you may have witnessed with a deceased loved one, this can significantly alter their appearance. Additionally, reports indicate that both Joseph and Hyrum had cotton placed in their noses to maintain shape. I conducted a similar experiment on my (live) husband and observed that it can dramatically change the width and profile of the nose. Therefore, our focus lies in comparing the bone structure, particularly the bridge and top of the nose, where thin skin allows us a glimpse of the underlying skull.
Saturday, March 21, 2009
1. How it all started

Looking back now, I realize that my dear grandmother may have been mistaken. Not about the image in the photo, but about whether anyone else was in possession of this or any other actual unedited image copied from a daguerreotype picture of the Prophet. Attempting to learn the truth, I contacted the LDS Historical Library a couple of weeks ago. I told them of the carte-de-visite photo and what I believed it to be. Hesitant to send the entire image digitally, I sent a sliced version made in Photoshop. A couple of days later, I received an email .
They believed what I had was a carte de visite of a sketch by the Utah artist Danquart Weggeland. As an artist myself, this did not sit well with me. I found the picture I believed they were referring to and did a digital comparison in Photoshop. I found that the lines of the drawing did not match at all, and the style of hair did not either.

For further comparison, I used the image from the Library of Congress. I noticed that indeed the two images matched except for some artistic editing and enhancement work that had clearly been done. I noted that the artist had done some painted work on Joseph's eyes, especially his left eye (pictured on the right side of the photo). Perhaps it was done to balance his face and make it appear not so uneven. The artist also cleaned the lines of his jacket for a more tailored look and touched up areas of the photo that appeared to be overexposed. I believe that, in doing this, they changed the true nature of his face and overall appearance. Having done portrait work for many years, I know that it is mostly minor details that create the true likeness.

Now again the true nature of the Library of Congress photo comes into play. Some believe it is just a reproduction of the painting owned by the RLDS Church and possibly painted by the artist named Majors. I thought in that instance I would do some comparisons. First, I compared one of just the left eye from my photo, the Library of Congress photo, and a picture of the RLDS painting (in that order from the bottom up). Notice the middle picture has an overexaggerated iris, and the pupil appears slightly off-center. I believe this is the work of a photo editing artist. The lower lid has an unnatural plunge to compensate for the exaggeration. The lines of the upper lid remain the same, although darkened. The top eye is from the RLDS painting, and the iris appears to be more in proportion, as well as the lower lid. The upper lid, however, has been given a different square-like appearance, especially on the outside corner.

The second comparison of the RLDS painting and my photo shows that the entire jacket outline has been changed and lowered. This is again the work of an artist to create more symmetry and elongate the painting. It appears that the original daguerreotype may have been used as a reference for the RLDS painting. The Library of Congress photo appears to be a post-edited version of the photo I was given. I am again waiting to hear back from the LDS Church History Library as far as the information they have acquired. I will post more later when information becomes available.
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